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	<title>Comments on: Uberratte</title>
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		<title>by: adrian</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-663</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark.&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;Firstly, re your post (number 12), maybe Ann's changed since I last saw her, but I don't think she is a German speaker, nor do I believe she is in possession of a German keyboard.&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;Secondly, what was the point of winning the war if we don't assert a bit of preference for anglocising words. Did the Battle of Britain ever reach Somerset?&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;Yes, I am back at work now. Yes, I have more free time on my hands...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark.</p>
<p>Firstly, re your post (number 12), maybe Ann&#8217;s changed since I last saw her, but I don&#8217;t think she is a German speaker, nor do I believe she is in possession of a German keyboard.</p>
<p>Secondly, what was the point of winning the war if we don&#8217;t assert a bit of preference for anglocising words. Did the Battle of Britain ever reach Somerset?</p>
<p>Yes, I am back at work now. Yes, I have more free time on my hands&#8230;
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		<title>by: ratty</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-654</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;hiya ratty,
are you pressing post twice instead of once?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hiya ratty,<br />
are you pressing post twice instead of once?
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		<title>by: ratty</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-652</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;hiya mark,
are you perchance on a diet of diet of gleaned avocado and lentils?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hiya mark,<br />
are you perchance on a diet of diet of gleaned avocado and lentils?
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		<title>by: mark</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-651</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 01:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;German keyboards have individual keys for ü, ä etc, and they are considered separate letters in their own right(s), so I'm sticking by my 'gauche' comment, racist or no - I don't believe any German-speaker with a German computer is writing 'Ueber'.&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;
I am not from Wiltshire, but Somerset, which is next to Wilts. Wilts is a terrible place though, where 80s hair bands are still beyond the cusp of their ken.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German keyboards have individual keys for ü, ä etc, and they are considered separate letters in their own right(s), so I&#8217;m sticking by my &#8216;gauche&#8217; comment, racist or no - I don&#8217;t believe any German-speaker with a German computer is writing &#8216;Ueber&#8217;.</p>
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I am not from Wiltshire, but Somerset, which is next to Wilts. Wilts is a terrible place though, where 80s hair bands are still beyond the cusp of their ken.
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		<title>by: luke</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-650</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 10:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;¨ aside, shouldn't we or rather ann be concerned that this Überrat is not just a super rat but is in fact literally an &quot;over rat&quot; and has rat minions to do its bidding. right now this over rat could be extending its influence over the other rats and preparing to take over the house.&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;hope this helps you sleep ann ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>¨ aside, shouldn&#8217;t we or rather ann be concerned that this Überrat is not just a super rat but is in fact literally an &#8220;over rat&#8221; and has rat minions to do its bidding. right now this over rat could be extending its influence over the other rats and preparing to take over the house.</p>
<p>hope this helps you sleep ann ;)
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		<title>by: ann</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-648</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2005 02:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the tips people.  You are all outrageous :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tips people.  You are all outrageous :)
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		<title>by: matrine</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-647</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 02:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;hang on....wasn't ann's post about rats?? can't help but agree with adrian on this one however - calling the use of 'e' instead of Ü (i just cut and pasted that - too much faffing around) 'gauche' is how ethnic cleansing begins my friend. &lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, I believe ann stated that the rat was a 'super rat', correcting her quite correct english with german is something of a slap in the face to our boys who fought for our current way of life and right to kill rats as we find them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hang on&#8230;.wasn&#8217;t ann&#8217;s post about rats?? can&#8217;t help but agree with adrian on this one however - calling the use of &#8216;e&#8217; instead of Ü (i just cut and pasted that - too much faffing around) &#8216;gauche&#8217; is how ethnic cleansing begins my friend. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I believe ann stated that the rat was a &#8217;super rat&#8217;, correcting her quite correct english with german is something of a slap in the face to our boys who fought for our current way of life and right to kill rats as we find them.
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		<title>by: àdrìàn</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-646</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2005 18:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;As a final final comment on the subject (unless I'm provoked further), I think that the following article from the Guardian by Smallweed (30 April 2005) is quite fun. Mark, you're not from Wiltshire, are you? ;)
__________________&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;It is the sensible practice of this newspaper not to insert over the names of people or places every conceivable diacritical sign it can find. This rule applies both to conventional accents and devices such as those wiggly Iberian things known as tildes which, minute though they are, have the power to turn some pious and inoffensive canon into a canyon. It was with some consternation, therefore, that I read in G2 on Thursday an account of a rock band called Mötley Crüe. What precisely are the devices, of the kind that are normally identified as diereses or umlauts, positioned over the O of Motley and the U of Crue? Here in the depths of the Wiltshire countryside it is hard to find experts capable of resolving this question. Nor from this distance can I quite gauge the implications for the new chief conductor of the BBC Symphony Orchestra, whom the Guardian normally describes as Jiri Belohlavek. This Belohlavek, when looked at more closely, is found to sport a series of diacritical-style decorations, and in circles where these distinctions are still considered significant, appears as Ji rí B elohlávek. If the model of Mötley Crüe is followed, and the new chief conductor has to be treated every time he gives a concert to the full works, I guess a clamour might shortly arise in newspaper offices for B elohlávek to be removed and replaced by another conductor with a simpler name. Leonard Slatkin, for instance. There are other possible consequences, too, for the BBC to consider. Might not rejected applicants for the post begin to assume that their chances might have been better had their names been as exotic as Ji rí's? It used after all to be said that the real name of the conductor Stokowski was Stokes, and that only making himself sound more cosmopolitan won him a place among world conductors. Or were I for instance Paul Daniel, who in Ji rí's absence is due to take charge of the final night of the proms, I might well suspect that the road to international acclaim might lie in spelling myself something more like Paül Dàñel.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a final final comment on the subject (unless I&#8217;m provoked further), I think that the following article from the Guardian by Smallweed (30 April 2005) is quite fun. Mark, you&#8217;re not from Wiltshire, are you? ;)<br />
__________________</p>
<p>It is the sensible practice of this newspaper not to insert over the names of people or places every conceivable diacritical sign it can find. This rule applies both to conventional accents and devices such as those wiggly Iberian things known as tildes which, minute though they are, have the power to turn some pious and inoffensive canon into a canyon. It was with some consternation, therefore, that I read in G2 on Thursday an account of a rock band called Mötley Crüe. What precisely are the devices, of the kind that are normally identified as diereses or umlauts, positioned over the O of Motley and the U of Crue? Here in the depths of the Wiltshire countryside it is hard to find experts capable of resolving this question. Nor from this distance can I quite gauge the implications for the new chief conductor of the BBC Symphony Orchestra, whom the Guardian normally describes as Jiri Belohlavek. This Belohlavek, when looked at more closely, is found to sport a series of diacritical-style decorations, and in circles where these distinctions are still considered significant, appears as Ji rí B elohlávek. If the model of Mötley Crüe is followed, and the new chief conductor has to be treated every time he gives a concert to the full works, I guess a clamour might shortly arise in newspaper offices for B elohlávek to be removed and replaced by another conductor with a simpler name. Leonard Slatkin, for instance. There are other possible consequences, too, for the BBC to consider. Might not rejected applicants for the post begin to assume that their chances might have been better had their names been as exotic as Ji rí&#8217;s? It used after all to be said that the real name of the conductor Stokowski was Stokes, and that only making himself sound more cosmopolitan won him a place among world conductors. Or were I for instance Paul Daniel, who in Ji rí&#8217;s absence is due to take charge of the final night of the proms, I might well suspect that the road to international acclaim might lie in spelling myself something more like Paül Dàñel.
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		<title>by: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-645</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought that the precise point of Ann's post was how to get around the difficulties of using umlauts (if you think that pressing alt and remembering a 3 digit number is easier than whacking and /e/ after the vowel, you're a better man than I am).&lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;As recently as the following study for the BAVARIAN ARCHIVE FOR SPEECH SIGNALS (University of Munich, Institut of Phonetics Schellingstr. 3/II, 80799 Muenchen, Germany), the use of an /e/ instead of the cumbersome umlauts was advocated. &lt;/p&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;My final point is that it was still down to regional preference (I think the country that kick started the printing press over 500 years ago, could cope with an umlaut here and there). Let's avoid calling regional differences (like non-umlauted vowels, funny accents, and boomerangs) gauche, otherwise we destroy diversity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that the precise point of Ann&#8217;s post was how to get around the difficulties of using umlauts (if you think that pressing alt and remembering a 3 digit number is easier than whacking and /e/ after the vowel, you&#8217;re a better man than I am).</p>
<p>As recently as the following study for the BAVARIAN ARCHIVE FOR SPEECH SIGNALS (University of Munich, Institut of Phonetics Schellingstr. 3/II, 80799 Muenchen, Germany), the use of an /e/ instead of the cumbersome umlauts was advocated. </p>
<p>My final point is that it was still down to regional preference (I think the country that kick started the printing press over 500 years ago, could cope with an umlaut here and there). Let&#8217;s avoid calling regional differences (like non-umlauted vowels, funny accents, and boomerangs) gauche, otherwise we destroy diversity.
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		<title>by: mark</title>
		<link>http://ana.people.vee.net/archives/2005/05/17/uberratte/#comment-644</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2005 19:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;p&gt;I think replacing umlauts with 'e's is a bit gauche these days - it used to be really common because of the technical difficulty of producing them with typewriters and what-not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think replacing umlauts with &#8216;e&#8217;s is a bit gauche these days - it used to be really common because of the technical difficulty of producing them with typewriters and what-not.
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